First Kanonenjagdpanzer prototypes were built by Hanomag and Henschel for the West German army in 1960 and continued to be built until 1967. In total, 770 were built for the Bundeswehr and 80 for the army of Belgium. However, between 1983 and 1985, this TD stopped being sufficient for the needs of modern warfare. One part of them was converted to recon vehicles, the other to rocket tank destroyers. In the territorial armies however the Kanonenjagdpanzer (also known as Jagdpanzer Kanone 90mm) stayed until 1990.
Characteristics for 100 percent crew, unlimited MM:
Tier: 8 TD
Hitpoints: 1200
Engine: 500 hp
Weight: 25,7 tons
Power-to-weight: 19,46 hp/t
Maximum speed: 70/20 km/h
Hull traverse: 42 deg/s
Terrain resistance: 0,863/1,055/2,301
Viewrange: 360
Radio range: 750
Hull armor: 30/30/?
Gun: 90mm
Damage: 240
Penetration: 190
ROF: 9,626
DPM: 2310,3
Reload: 6,233
Accuracy: 0,336
Aimtime: 1,92s
Depression: -8
Gun traverse: 15 degrees to each side
Armor:
Model:
Absolutely amazing :) Finally they decided to add it!
ReplyDeletethere is one at the tank museum Munster, Germany. ist next to the LEO PTA at the entrance gate ..seems like it has the same gun as the RU251??
DeleteI thought that looked familier
DeleteHNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
ReplyDeleteWhy do I see this as a tier VIII E 25?
ReplyDeleteBecause that is what it is...sans the premium MM. Since it is being added after the camo changes, does anyone know if this one not get the pre-nerf changes like the E25 gets (camo bonus after firing)?
Deletetechnically its a Jagdpanzer 4
Delete...I just noticed that the gun penetration is extraordinarily underwhelming for a tier 8 vehicle.
ReplyDeleteThat needs to get bumped down to tier 7. 190 pen doesn't really cut mustard and, frankly, the DPM really isn't that impressive for a tier 8 TD either.
It's on supertest, stats aren't final.
Delete190 can work. I work with less in other tanks.
Deletethere are so many tanks who do it with less (t-44) + great mobility and probably great camo as well
DeleteEither make it tier 7, but there is the E25, Or make it tier 8 with high dpm... i have no problem with 190 pen, i am used to 175pen, and since this is fast, it should be no problem
Deletei made the t-44 work with 175 pen the key difference is that the t-44 is very mobile has half decent armour and has a turret this doesnt have any armour it might be quick but wont have a turret so if this thing meets tier 10s? it will be useless with 190 pen. to put that shit pen it to perspective the jagdpanther has more at tier 7 on the 105 and the 88. pen doesn tmatter as much on heavies or mediums but for tank destroyers that is a very important characteristic and it doesnt have a machine gun like the e-25 so spamming shots until they start penning wont work either.
DeleteConsider it to be the T8 Jagdpanzer IV, so I doubt they will buff the pen but likely they will buff the DPM and other gun handling stats by a good shot (so I hope at least).
DeleteTo those that say that 190 works on other tanks, I remind you that those "other tanks" are tanks (usually mediums or lights), not TDs. Those "other tanks" have turrets and are going to be able to easily flank much of the time, whereas a TD, particularly one without a turret, isn't going to be as easily able to engage as a flanker.
DeleteI foresee a lot of gold rounds being shot from this thing when people can't get side shots at a decent range.
Deano, in reference to your comments on the T-44, the T-44's top guns have decidedly lackluster pen for a tier 8 medium tank, most particularly when it has to face tier 10 enemies. And while this TD does have a little better pen than the T-44, it also doesn't have a turret.
Deletefor a 90mm gun with 190 pen on a very mobile stealthy tank, that DPM is actually very nice already.
DeleteLooks good, although it can not beat the E25. And it can see tier 10...
ReplyDeleteBe still my beating pants!
ReplyDeleteIs it just me, or does that 90mm gun stike you as a bit sad on a tier 8 TD as well?
ReplyDeleteNo armor, crap gun. WTF.
ReplyDeleteBut light tank mobility. People thought the same thing about the E-25. And it did suck....for people not driving them.
DeleteGive it 2.5k+ dpm and a half decent gold round, and they can shut up and take my money.
DeleteSuper Hetzer? Hmm...I like. Time to add yet another premium German TD to my lineup....although I do still need to break down & buy the JT88 sometime.
ReplyDeleteWhat's special about this one ? It looks booring with 190 pen and that crappy alpha
ReplyDeleteNearly 20 hp/t, 70 kph, very small so likely great camo value. Yeah, "nothing special at all".
DeleteDo you people only ever look at alpha damage and gun pen? Then again, I've seen camping Hellcats and E-25s that refuse to move 100m from where they spawned.
The alpha I can deal with. The pen seems rather low, PARTICULARLY since it won't have pref MM like the E-25.
DeleteStill, I have to admit that this one will be tempting to buy.
i would rather Play the RU251..it has mobility and turret and camo. same gun?
Deletehope it doesn't see tier10
ReplyDeleteIt will, no more pref mm.
Deletei want it because of reason!
ReplyDeleteGood speed, good gun traverse, good gun depression, liking it so far. Low pen I can deal with. Worth a closer look once it comes to a test server :-)
ReplyDeleteSame gun with better caracteristics like on RU-251
ReplyDeleteBut on a stealthy little bugger, at least it seems tio be... :-)
So an upgunned E-25 basically?
ReplyDeleteExcept the E25 gets pref MM, and this thing won't. I foresee a LOT of gold spamming from this thing, particularly when it's not top tier.
Delete2 tiers higher so effectively "downgunned" considering the tanks it will see
Delete2 tiers higher so effectively "downgunned" considering the tanks it will see
DeleteJag panzer Kanon of the 80's. No chance of the Rakete version. Of course
ReplyDeleteSame gun as on the RU251 ?
ReplyDeleteAww yis. That gun is brilliant.
Probably better on an LT than on a TD, but by far the best guns of that caliber range I've ever used.
so, they finally removed e25 from the store, only to bring us his bigger cousin?? E25 on steroids...
ReplyDeleteMo' money, mo' money, mo' money.
ReplyDeleteDamn, I wish this was a regular vehicle. It could work so well.
ReplyDeleteIt's basically a RU251 w/o a turret. Meh.
ReplyDeleteEven worse penetration than the SU-101. Nobody will buy this tank.
ReplyDeleteThe gun angles and the entire layout of the vehicle is way better than the SU-101. I will be looking into this fine tank.
Deleteand it wont have retarded 1200 silver shells.
DeleteBeen waiting a long time for this one :)
ReplyDeleteAppy
Well it have good stats... but not for T8 TD with default MM.
ReplyDeleteRU251 without turret?
ReplyDeleteSame gun and chassis
I definetely remember how FTR react when E-25 was first introduced. Very similar to now.
ReplyDeleteGL in tier 10 with 190 pen, am so glad i got the E-25 before they removed it :)
ReplyDeleteJagdpanzer-25(e)
ReplyDeletewhat else is that?
190 pen and meets tier 10? XDD
225 is fine... 210 is ... ugh....
190...... funny guys
Anything known weather it will be regular premium or reward tank?
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to the two 7 mini waffle that was previewed with the new premiums and french tanks
ReplyDeleteTier 8 with 190mm of penetration? I hope it has good APCR penetration values at least,otherwise an utter waste of time.
ReplyDeleteNot APCR... Gold shell in this gun is HEAT
DeleteIs this going to replace E-25 soon?
ReplyDeleteDamn you WG, where's my Tier 11 Apocalypse tank? :>
ReplyDeleteHere it is.
Deletehttp://i62.tinypic.com/2en175i.jpg
does it get the target electronics of 1980s? ELAC build the lowlight. infrared and follow up target electronics for most of the german tanks and it has been amazing. That had been the reason american firm honeywell bought the whole firm with all of their patents. My grandparents worked there the time.
ReplyDeleteaah bum, i thought it was the twin barreled thing, turns out thats the VT-tank :(
ReplyDeleteoh well. maybe they'll add multiple guns when the french tank...get....added..? WAIT!
aah bum, i thought it was the twin barreled thing, turns out thats the VT-tank :(
ReplyDeleteoh well. maybe they'll add multiple guns when the french tank...get....added..? WAIT!
Wow, it's funny how this thing get outclassed in so many stats by a tier 7,
ReplyDeleteThis: 30 mm armor
SU-100M1: 90 mm armor (which can actually bounce some L70 shots)
This: 240 alpha
SU-100M1: 250 alpha
This: 6,233 reload time
SU-100M1: 5,658 reload time (Yes, it reloads faster, is a tier lower, and has more alpha)
This: 0,336 accuracy
SU-100M1: 0,316 (Oh, also more accurate)
This: 1,92 s aiming time
SU-100M1: 1,62 s aiming time
This: 190 pen
SU-100M1: 175 pen (The actual only gun stat that is better, and should be better since it's a tier 8)
I can't say i'm happy with it's current state, it really really REALLY needs a buff if it has all around worse gun stats than a LOWER TIER TD...