Wednesday, 1 April 2015

Pay to Win at its finest


Hello warriors,

as you might have noticed, Wargaming started today selling (for 24 hours only) the Panzer II Ausf.J tank:

http://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/pc-browser/premium/premshop-today-panzer2j/

You can buy that bundle for 100 Euro (contains some 30k gold as well). So, is there a problem with that? After all, Wargaming was selling the BT-SV for a lot of money as well, right?

Well, as it turns out, yes, there is a problem. BT-SV had lackluster statistics, but the Panzer II Ausf.J is the single most overpowered tank in the game. According to wot-news, this tank has overall winrate of 67,43 percent (this info can be found here: http://wot-news.com/game/tankinfo/en/eu/germany/PzII_J)

The problem with this tank is that it was blatantly OP for all its existence but it was never nerfed because there were so few of them (they were awarded only at Gamescom and in gift bundles - some people paid as much as 300 EUR for this tank when buying the codes online). Now that anyone can get it, it probably is the worst case of pay to win to date. If you feel like giving uncle SerB 100 Euro for his space program, you'll get a murderous death machine.

82 comments:

  1. its only a April 1st prank. After paying 100 eu you will get big SerBs Smile and in big letters there will be written "Happy April 1st" I almost fell for this one you dirty SerB, but nice one. Im sure many people will get pranked. :D

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    1. You get the gold, but i bet the tank wont show up in your garage :). I hope so. The number of them already is ebola.

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    2. Actually it is not a 1st April prank but you get the IIJ in your garage .... ;-)

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    3. Actually it is not a 1st April prank but you get the IIJ in your garage .... ;-)

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  2. im gonna troll them in a pz 2 g :D

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    1. that little 95 pen 30mm should be fun to use against them :D

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    2. my SU-76I says HELLO :)
      up to 60mm of frontal armor
      86mm of pen with ap 101mm with APCR
      300m view RANGE NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

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    3. 310 veiw range xD i own one too

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    4. crap gonna grind my FTAC as quick as possible! I should be fine in tier 3...

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  3. So Jonas, I'm assuming they don't actually take your money because if they did that isn't the least bit funny.

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  4. "contains some 30k gold as well"

    No, you buy gold in the first place. The Pz II J is an addition, not the gold. 30k gold is 100€ the shop's usual price. WG is promoting gold sales with added tanks, not the other way around (selling tanks and throwing in some gold).

    Why is this such a tough concept to grasp >.>

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    1. Because it is business and when money is involved it's illegal in pretty much any country even if the date says april 1st...

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    2. Is this such a tough concept to grasp that WG is twisting it around pretending to sell gold yet the main point of advetisment is Panzer II Ausf.J. I'm sure everyone is buying this bundle for it's gold value not a tank, RIGHT?!

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    3. @infetrus If you are buying 30k gold to get a rare tank and you have no use for the gold, you are an idiot in the first place. But then, people bought IIJ for three, five times of that on eBay, so what do I know.

      If you buy 30k gold, because you need gold anyway (for other prems, XP conversion or anything) and get a tank to it - you just got a tank extra.

      I imagine most people who buy this are like: "Oh, I needed gold anyway, so why not buy it now when it's the same price as ever, when the tank is there on top of it."

      By the way, you nailed it - the Pz II J is advertisment. Advertisment. FOR GOLD. Get it? How are they pretending to sell gold when they are REALLY selling gold to you?

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    4. @Nya-chan I do believe you hit the nail on the head, I find this deal only for those that want/need the gold and you get a bonus tank on the side. You could easily see it the other way as you get the tank and the gold is the bonus seeing how much they sell for on ebay/other selling sites. All a matter of opinion at this point. Despite me wanting the tank badly I will not purchase it as I don't want or need the gold and its too much for a tank.

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    5. Why is it such a tough concept to grasp that the gold is just padding as nobody would buy this much gold at once were it not for that tank it's bundled up with?

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    6. Hey abdul. Yes. People will. Why do you think there is a 100€ gold package in the shop? Its this excact offer just Without the tank

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    7. Obviously I don't mean "nobody" as in "not literally anybody", but "a very insignificant number of people compared to analogous situations". And anyway, that option is there for the exact same reason that kickstarters have ridiculous $1000+ options - it costs them nothing to have that offer up and there might actually be a sucker out there who will go for it so hey, why not have it up. My bet is it doesn't happen often at all, though.

      After "adding" a tank like this, though? My bet here is the sales skyrocket. The tank is the star here, the bundled gold is just an excuse to charge so ridiculously much for a tier 3 premium.

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  5. I am poor and I find this unfair.

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    1. did you buy the SU76I for less than 6 euro?
      su-76I can eat PzIIJ

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  6. So EU folk get a chance (maybe, maybe not, it IS April Fools Day) to buy the most OP tank in the history of the game and here on NA we get the stupid zombie flash game? Its going to be an interesting day here in WoTland ..... :)

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  7. Oh and Rita is right, the BT-SV is fun but it is a far cry from a super tank especially if folks know its weak spot. I bought one mostly because I collect premie/rare tanks. I have several that are absolute garbage but I keep them around just ... as Jingles would say, "reasons"

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  8. I think I'll buy this. Just because I can.

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  9. Yep totally broken. Played 4 games, 3/4 had 2 or more Pz2 J's, just no. Doesn't work. GG WG how did you manage to fuck this one up.

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    1. Has anyone put cc details in to see what actually happens.

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    2. I guess you can console yourself with the knowledge that not only did they spend a wad of cash for the tank, they can count on losing 30k+ credits per game to play it. It can't pen a tier I SPG without using gold ammo.

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    3. And does the new noob friendly matchmaker coming not separate the beginners from seal clubbers? If this offers legit it could end up being sh1t, facing other players in 2js. Whoever spams the most gold wins..

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    4. I have had this tank for a while and i manage to pen most tanks without gold, driving with 50/50 silver/gold ammo and rarely need to use gold. just aim at weakspots, easy as that.

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  10. This tank is extrem! Playing in a 3 man platoon just can't loose! So buy this tank and troll all day looooong.....

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  11. my pz2g trolling pz2j plan is going well so far ive killed about 3 so far and they cant pen me while i pen them all day long :D

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  12. I'll just use this as an excuse to play my B2 again.

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  13. If i remember correcty, Rita! you own a Pz, 2 J your self.

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    1. Jingles is the one who has a PzKw IIJ. He did a video about it and a few other rare tanks a few months ago.

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    2. If I remember correctly Jingles said he sold his testicles for one.

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    3. Rita wanna see me defending the seals against seal clubbers at all? i got a reply for your channel. ^^ i sent it to jingles but hes too busy atm.

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  14. Now its not so fun. After 76i purchase I didnt play IIJ. Too slow, armor works only in top. Got to 4th level - and You just target for anti-tanks.

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  15. well, i needed some Gold anyway again - glad i didnt buy it 1 Week ago but today.. so i get a nice Tank for free :P

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  16. Lmao at the people who just spent £500 on ebay for the iij. There are 2 going for £1,400 on there at the moment.

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  17. Give it MM 4 and I'll own them in my mobile luchs! More than year ago it wasn't able to penetrate my M3 Lee. But that was driver mistake- he didn't use gold ammo. I heard that this tank without gold sucks.

    Plus- how it fight against AMX 38? I have it and I now don't want to use free exp.

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  18. I'll rather give "uncle" serb a kick in the nuts while yelling: Stop "fixing" the game dammit!!!!

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  19. honestly i think this is a terrible idea for WG. i said it before some months ago. puting this machine into random games on a big scale will make their game unplayable for the newbies that come and start it for the first time. and what do they see? an invincible tank that just destroys them without taking any damage. they say BULLSHIT! and uninstall. WG doesnt want this for their game. surely they are not that dumb right? if they dont take this tank away from the players and refund the cost tomorrow it will be not vey good for them if they want the game to grow

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    1. Stop that whining. It will not be like everybody has a IIJ now. How often have you seen any of the other special tanks in battle? In 2 weeks you will see at most 1 IIJ in 100 tier 3 battles. So no big deal at all.

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    2. Stop that whining. It will not be like everybody has a IIJ now. How often have you seen any of the other special tanks in battle? In 2 weeks you will see at most 1 IIJ in 100 tier 3 battles. So no big deal at all.

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  20. FCM 36 will feast on it :)

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    1. su76i will eat PZIIJ same battle tiers 3-4
      su76i has up to 60mm or armor

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  21. Time to go out in my Cruiser II.

    94mm howtzer, I two-shots PzII Js at any range, or oneshot if use of HEAT :)

    I already made a poor one cry over his dead tank paid for 400$ :}

    Anyone, if you wanna troll the op, use the even more op mini-KV-2 cruiserII :)

    Anyway, this game is dead. Turning to pay2win was clear enough these days (more prems, FV183's hesh, things like that...), but selling this Pz is just too much.
    The day AW comes live WoT will either change radicaly to save its ass, or sink like titanic. And I love WoT, but you cannot deny WG crossed the line of bad devs: they stopped developping for players, they just keep working for more payable options.

    RIP wot. I had 3 years of fun, but the day other game is out I leave. Too much rng, too much dev incompetence, too much pay2win. Even WG RU that was still good imo has lowered in my opinion...

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    1. Aaaaw, how terrible, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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  23. Just bought one but there's no way I'm taking it out for more than 1 roll tonight. The rest of the time will be spent in the FCM Pak having fun shooting these suckers :-D "Aww man I thought this was super OP with impenetrable armour :-(, FU WG for cheating me into buying this useless pos"

    But talk about being counter productive. They want to protect low tiers? Until the MM-newbie protection comes into place they've killed tier 2-4 completely! How the f*ck did this get past any kind of strategy/quality gate?!? I mean jesus fkin H Christ, really?!? If this had been the case when I started out I'd be doing something else for sure. What the....???

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    1. time to take out the REAL PZiiJ killer , MY SU-76i

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    2. you two are total retards. So what if there is one or two other higher tier wallet warrior tanks that can pen it with gold. When pz 2 j is in its tier, it is unstoppable.

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    3. A "useless pos"? This is proof that you are an idiot.

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  24. I just bought my tank of OP ness :D

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  25. You get the IIJ. Anything else would be asking for a lot of trouble with playerbase and CC card companies. I bet they would _love_ dealing with deluge of complaints againtst WG.

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  26. Lol, just bought the fcm pak 40 2 days back for 4 €, Now laughing the whole time when i see the Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. J.....

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  27. Perhaps these are the same marketing people that brought us the SU-76i. Here on NA the sale of that thing lasted about 9 hours. Luckily I bought one during that time.

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  28. Time to farm some 100 euro tears with my 2pdr.

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  29. Bring it on, my T-70 won't give a shit

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    1. Wait, it's April 1st... Nice one WG xD

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  30. Not on NA too?

    That's the real April Fools joke, NA gets a stupid flash zombie game, EU gets Pz II J. Oh, you.

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  31. Its no fool, i got mine in my garage.

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  32. one week before payday ... oh well...

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  33. I got one, man what a lot of money but wth you only live once and I saw a vid and it's a killer tank

    Anyone else who has one want to platoon w. me tonight lolz

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  34. Cant be that OP i have 63% winrate in the Locust and 61% in the T14 so far only random games..

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  35. the tank is not op. you cant penetrate lot of tanks in tie IV and even other Panzer II Ausf.J... BT-SV with small view range is very poor and Grosstraktor Krupp is a waste of money ... in old times it was may be OP but now you are dead very soon and if are you facing for example matilda or dw you have no chance to survive ... wg knows very well why they are selling them with lot of gold ...

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    1. you must be some kind of fucking retard to think it is not OP. Watch the video where a single pz 2 J kills 15 tanks by itself.

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  36. The Panzer II J OP? Is this your idea of an April Fool's Day joke? The tank is slower than molasses in January. Slower than a Matilda and the RMS TOG II driving through waist deep mud. The gun is weaker than than LOLtraktor. All it has going for it is its 40 mm armor (if memory serves me correctly). It is an arty magnet.

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    1. you must be some kind of special retard to think panzer 2 j is not OP

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  37. Blame Jingles, his video playing this in a city map safe from arty is what caused all the fuss.

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