T20 as a t7 MT with same specs as now and no limited MM...seems fair as well....WG can even charge the same price as SP as people will still buy a flexible tank than the Slow Pershing :)
Yes. Or just make with like KV-1 and kv-1s. Research the t20 on t7 and from that you can Research the well armored but slower Pershing. Also on t7. This Tanks leads to the m47 on t8 -> m48 on t9 -> m60a1 on t10.
But I like the idea from Demios : VII - Pershing, VIII - M47, IX - M48A5, X - M60A3 Late Model Excuse me to add some more details with them : 1. (VII) M26 / T26E3 Pershing It will use its historical standard 90mm M3 Gun, because 90mm T15E2M2 was only used for T26E4 "Super Pershing" (It should be the one who use this 180mm penetration gun instead Standard Pershing, a good buff for it) 2. (VIII) M47 Patton It must & should be the replacement for M46 Patton, because I have some few logic reason with this : -It uses M47 Patton's turret -M46 Patton's hull & turret are very inferior even against other VIII Mediums, so replacing it will increase its hull effectiveness from 45° - 60° (similar with Type 59's hull thickness & angle) -It should have reduced Viewrange from 410mm to 400mm -It will use 90mm T15E2M2, the current gun used on M26. Also, mounting the 105mm T5E1M2 to T32 is a very brilliant idea if they can realize it, as 198mm vs 218mm penetration makes the difference for T32's gun penetration against other tanks like Caernarvon or IS-3. (Balance reason, unhistorical in blueprint. But able in theory). 3. (IX) M48A5 Patton Some of you may know if there are some players that proposed the current M48A1 to be downgraded to Standard M48. But I think, there's another variant that has better stats than Standard M48, the M48A5, real M48 Patton variant with mounted 105mm M68. It's the perfect variant for M48 because its massive size can be covered by better diesel engine (speed) & fire control system (accuracy), + it used urdan cupola (better than M48's Chrysler Cupola & M48A1's M1 "Tumor" Cupola), a low-profile cupola created for M48A5 (about the same size as T-54's), and giving it 410mm Viewrange (save the 420m for M60A3). 4. (X) M60A3 Patton "Late Model" This is the true rival of the current Tier X Soviet Medium Tanks. The big cupola from M60A1 is omitted, & new more armored turret than the current M60 from the game. The 420mm Viewrange is available from here (Going gradually, from 390, 400, 410, then 420). Although the hull armor was inferior against the other Tier X Mediums, the hulldown ability & modern-era tank maneuver will level this tank with the others. Im sorry If I made it too long
Personally I'd prefer just replacing M46 with M47 at tier 9 + some small buffs for M48. T20 is doing absolutely fine on tier 7 and so does M26 on tier 8. In-game differences between historical M26 and M46 are minimal (better engine + slightly improved gun), so IMO it would be best to combine them at tier 8, keeping stats approximately the same as they are now.
Bayu, you are a man after my own heart. ...or woman, if you're one... XD Regardless, that post is freaking awesome, and I completely agree with you. I give you points for arguing efficiently and logically. Wargaming would be stupid not to take these suggestions.
Let me clarify a little, Atomic_Emu. -(VII) T20 & (VII) M26 has the same gun, but bigger body, and compensated by mobility. I suggested this to save some slots for the next Tier 8-9-10. -(VIII) M47 Patton, it's M47, not M46. With the same hull armor scheme like Type 59 (100mm at 60°). -(IX) M48 "A5" Patton (Urdan Cupola, 105mm M68, Enhanced Mobility) should be placed here in this tier because it was the equal combatant of every tier 9 mediums in the game (T-54, Leopard PT A, Type 61, Centurion 7/1, E 50) -(X) M60A3 "Late Model" Patton is the last in the line. Because its super massive size should be compensated by small cupola, new turret than current M60 Patton ingame. From increased armor effectiveness & hydraulics of A1, to smaller cupola & M68 performance increase of A3.
Tier 7 could work. Tier 8: I'd prefer current M26 with its weak hull and strong turret over M47 with strong hull and weak turret. Tier 9: So it would be like current M48 + lowered tier + buffed? Not going to happen. Tier 10: I'm not sure about this. From what I've been able to find in ~20 minutes of googling, it looks like it would be significantly better than any of the current tier 10 meds in practically every way except size and mobility.
I'm sorry, but to me it looks like it would result in redundant 2 tanks at tier 7, nerfed tier 8 and massively OP tiers 9&10.
Hmm, but in theory & I think : -Tier 7 Pershing should be able to do good in its tier with its standard 90mm M3 (T20 has bad gun handling though). (It'll receive a HD Model in 9.8 soon, so we dont know whether its turret will be changed or not) -Tier 8 M47 with its turret is expected to be "quite protected" against tier 6 & 7 (I think, if it receives HD model too, its turret would be buffed anyway) and its mobility in tier 8 should be able to hinder it. -Tier 9 M48A1 should be buffed to M48A5 right away because the current M48A1 is "So Underpowered" against even Tier 9 MTs. Bringing smaller cupola, more armor, mobility, & 105mm is a must for M48 with HT Size. (Also because IRL, it was the tank that created by US as a response with Soviet T-54) -Tier 10 M60A3 will be hopefully as balanced as possible. The reasons remain the same as stated in M48A5. (It was the equal MBT to counter the T-62A & Obj. 140 Variants)
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I myself find it to be very ugly. Haven't driven it so far, mabye that would change my opinion. As for Russian meds, I think they look damn good, except the T-62A with it's massive searchlight on top.
You're right, funny and the other thing you said. But I'm grinding Object 430 II now, anytime soon - or not so soon to be owner of IObject 430. Looking GOOD. Also really like WZ-13*-looks.
Is it just me or does the turret looks smaller and the gun longer ?
ReplyDeleteYes I will continue as WG reads this. And I care about US medium tanks. A lot.
ReplyDeleteM47 Patton as tier 9.
M46 Patton OR M46 with M47 turret (prototype vehicle we have in game) as a tier 8 no limited MM vehicle.
WG, do it. Simple, logical.
Another idea, good one by Demios:
T7: Pershing (minus the the long 90 which was only ever mounted on the Super Pershing variants).
T8: M47
T9: M48 (was a contemporary of the T-54, not the T-62A)
T10: M60A1
As for the CW status of the M60:
"WarGaming can ALWAYS do what they did with the KV-220 on the Russian server. KV-220 Tester and KV-220 :)
Like WG HAD to do with M4A2E4...
M60 Reward tank with some special marks and inscriptions and we are good to go."
M60 Award and M60 normal. Good enough for me. And I am an M60 driver.
But even just the M47 on tier 9 and a tier 8 M46/M46 with M47 turret (in game) is enough for me.
+1.
DeleteExactly my thoughts USA meds will shine with this setup, +1
DeleteT20 as a t7 MT with same specs as now and no limited MM...seems fair as well....WG can even charge the same price as SP as people will still buy a flexible tank than the Slow Pershing :)
DeletePrem MT^
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DeleteYes. Or just make with like KV-1 and kv-1s. Research the t20 on t7 and from that you can Research the well armored but slower Pershing. Also on t7. This Tanks leads to the m47 on t8 -> m48 on t9 -> m60a1 on t10.
DeleteI Am Completely 105% Agree With Your Idea/Proposal/Suggestion.
Delete+1
But I like the idea from Demios :
DeleteVII - Pershing, VIII - M47, IX - M48A5, X - M60A3 Late Model
Excuse me to add some more details with them :
1. (VII) M26 / T26E3 Pershing
It will use its historical standard 90mm M3 Gun, because 90mm T15E2M2 was only used for T26E4 "Super Pershing" (It should be the one who use this 180mm penetration gun instead Standard Pershing, a good buff for it)
2. (VIII) M47 Patton
It must & should be the replacement for M46 Patton, because I have some few logic reason with this :
-It uses M47 Patton's turret
-M46 Patton's hull & turret are very inferior even against other VIII Mediums, so replacing it will increase its hull effectiveness from 45° - 60° (similar with Type 59's hull thickness & angle)
-It should have reduced Viewrange from 410mm to 400mm
-It will use 90mm T15E2M2, the current gun used on M26. Also, mounting the 105mm T5E1M2 to T32 is a very brilliant idea if they can realize it, as 198mm vs 218mm penetration makes the difference for T32's gun penetration against other tanks like Caernarvon or IS-3. (Balance reason, unhistorical in blueprint. But able in theory).
3. (IX) M48A5 Patton
Some of you may know if there are some players that proposed the current M48A1 to be downgraded to Standard M48. But I think, there's another variant that has better stats than Standard M48, the M48A5, real M48 Patton variant with mounted 105mm M68. It's the perfect variant for M48 because its massive size can be covered by better diesel engine (speed) & fire control system (accuracy), + it used urdan cupola (better than M48's Chrysler Cupola & M48A1's M1 "Tumor" Cupola), a low-profile cupola created for M48A5 (about the same size as T-54's), and giving it 410mm Viewrange (save the 420m for M60A3).
4. (X) M60A3 Patton "Late Model"
This is the true rival of the current Tier X Soviet Medium Tanks. The big cupola from M60A1 is omitted, & new more armored turret than the current M60 from the game. The 420mm Viewrange is available from here (Going gradually, from 390, 400, 410, then 420). Although the hull armor was inferior against the other Tier X Mediums, the hulldown ability & modern-era tank maneuver will level this tank with the others.
Im sorry If I made it too long
Personally I'd prefer just replacing M46 with M47 at tier 9 + some small buffs for M48.
DeleteT20 is doing absolutely fine on tier 7 and so does M26 on tier 8. In-game differences between historical M26 and M46 are minimal (better engine + slightly improved gun), so IMO it would be best to combine them at tier 8, keeping stats approximately the same as they are now.
I guess...M47 Patton will appear in IM..
DeleteI hope not. They can do the opposite, change M46 to M47 and THEN make M46 appear in a Personal Mission.
DeleteBayu, you are a man after my own heart. ...or woman, if you're one... XD Regardless, that post is freaking awesome, and I completely agree with you. I give you points for arguing efficiently and logically. Wargaming would be stupid not to take these suggestions.
DeleteAll my support to this idea.
DeleteAll my support to this idea.
DeleteLet me clarify a little, Atomic_Emu.
Delete-(VII) T20 & (VII) M26 has the same gun, but bigger body, and compensated by mobility. I suggested this to save some slots for the next Tier 8-9-10.
-(VIII) M47 Patton, it's M47, not M46. With the same hull armor scheme like Type 59 (100mm at 60°).
-(IX) M48 "A5" Patton (Urdan Cupola, 105mm M68, Enhanced Mobility) should be placed here in this tier because it was the equal combatant of every tier 9 mediums in the game (T-54, Leopard PT A, Type 61, Centurion 7/1, E 50)
-(X) M60A3 "Late Model" Patton is the last in the line. Because its super massive size should be compensated by small cupola, new turret than current M60 Patton ingame. From increased armor effectiveness & hydraulics of A1, to smaller cupola & M68 performance increase of A3.
Tier 7 could work.
DeleteTier 8: I'd prefer current M26 with its weak hull and strong turret over M47 with strong hull and weak turret.
Tier 9: So it would be like current M48 + lowered tier + buffed? Not going to happen.
Tier 10: I'm not sure about this. From what I've been able to find in ~20 minutes of googling, it looks like it would be significantly better than any of the current tier 10 meds in practically every way except size and mobility.
I'm sorry, but to me it looks like it would result in redundant 2 tanks at tier 7, nerfed tier 8 and massively OP tiers 9&10.
Hmm, but in theory & I think :
Delete-Tier 7 Pershing should be able to do good in its tier with its standard 90mm M3 (T20 has bad gun handling though). (It'll receive a HD Model in 9.8 soon, so we dont know whether its turret will be changed or not)
-Tier 8 M47 with its turret is expected to be "quite protected" against tier 6 & 7 (I think, if it receives HD model too, its turret would be buffed anyway) and its mobility in tier 8 should be able to hinder it.
-Tier 9 M48A1 should be buffed to M48A5 right away because the current M48A1 is "So Underpowered" against even Tier 9 MTs. Bringing smaller cupola, more armor, mobility, & 105mm is a must for M48 with HT Size. (Also because IRL, it was the tank that created by US as a response with Soviet T-54)
-Tier 10 M60A3 will be hopefully as balanced as possible. The reasons remain the same as stated in M48A5. (It was the equal MBT to counter the T-62A & Obj. 140 Variants)
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DeleteThe T20 Gun handling is good, though. But the armor wont bounce anything well in tier 7.
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ReplyDeleteWhat an ugly duckling this tank is...
ReplyDeleteAgreed, together with the russian meds. Leopard 1, Amx 30B, STB-1 and BC-25t look far better.
DeleteI think it looks great :P
DeleteWell, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I myself find it to be very ugly. Haven't driven it so far, mabye that would change my opinion. As for Russian meds, I think they look damn good, except the T-62A with it's massive searchlight on top.
DeleteAnd I think T-62A looks best of ALL Russian medium tanks :P... much better then 140 and 430 (they ... disgust me)
DeleteWhat? :-)
DeleteYou might have forgotten a hidden gem: T-28 :-p
It looks funny to me. Not ugly... not beautiful. Just funny :P
DeleteA boob tank :D
You're right, funny and the other thing you said.
DeleteBut I'm grinding Object 430 II now, anytime soon - or not so soon to be owner of IObject 430. Looking GOOD.
Also really like WZ-13*-looks.
Hey, looks are subjective :)
DeleteI dont like how 430 looks. But if YOU do, then I won t judge :) !
I love me my M48 and M60 :P . But that is me :)
Yes, WZ-13* are sexy.
I like your style mate! :-)
DeleteDon't take me too serious ;-)
:) ! :) !
DeleteGood, nice person on this site :) !
It doesn't have M60's backpack. M48A1E1 has it. I don't think they won't make real M48A1E1.
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